Posts by Edward Elder

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Breaking News - Ramblings of the Governing Body

by Edward Elder in

if you're still unsure about the hotline to heaven (aka fds), then have a laugh at this truly pathetic story being circulated by the dubs - comments from stephen lett of the groaning body - see below.. to summarise lett's mind-control ramblings:.

angels are directing jws in the ministry - of course!if you don't answer the door - god will kill youif you don't listen to us - god will kill youbrainwashing of minor children is a real winnercalling on empty houses may seem like a waste of time - but to dubs it's the work of angelsfor the bethel drone monitoring this post - wake up and smell the coffee, before you're made to leave your cosy brooklyn office and hack the streets calling on empty houses.. you can be sure lett will be right behind you!.

ee.

Edward Elder

Well, well - how shocking to hear such cynical and apostate comments to letcher Lett's soliliquy

As just an innocent newbie and still serving elder I'm feeling discouraged.

In lieu of a shepherding call, what you need is another gem - this time from a recent visit of the DO to our cong. - he's a career ex-bethelite who the local BOE (well 3 of us) call bro. 'shit 4 brains' - have a laugh at this one.

On the scale of 1 to 7 - how do you score on the spiritual dashboard?

EE

"Most of us have seen a red light come on our automobile's dashboard. Maybe for oil pressure, engine temperature, brake system, low fuel, etc. We can avoid much trouble by giving the needed attention to these warning light signals; as soon as possible!

There is a Spiritual Dash Board Warning Lights System that each of us need to check on regularly. What are these Warning Indicators.

1. Increasing Problems In Family ---- Due To Lack Of Applying Bible Principles.

2. Lack Of Zeal And Joy In Ministry.

3. Lack Of Self-Control.

4. Loss Of Enthusiasm For The Truth.

5. Neglecting of Associating At Meetings.

6. Overly Critical Of Elders And Organization.

7. Harboring Serious And Continued Doubts.

Have you checked your dashboard lately?"

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Breaking News - Ramblings of the Governing Body

by Edward Elder in

if you're still unsure about the hotline to heaven (aka fds), then have a laugh at this truly pathetic story being circulated by the dubs - comments from stephen lett of the groaning body - see below.. to summarise lett's mind-control ramblings:.

angels are directing jws in the ministry - of course!if you don't answer the door - god will kill youif you don't listen to us - god will kill youbrainwashing of minor children is a real winnercalling on empty houses may seem like a waste of time - but to dubs it's the work of angelsfor the bethel drone monitoring this post - wake up and smell the coffee, before you're made to leave your cosy brooklyn office and hack the streets calling on empty houses.. you can be sure lett will be right behind you!.

ee.

Edward Elder

If you're still unsure about the hotline to heaven (aka FDS), then have a laugh at this truly pathetic story being circulated by the dubs - comments from Stephen Lett of the Groaning Body - see below.

To summarise Lett's mind-control ramblings:

Angels are directing JWs in the ministry - of course!
If you don't answer the door - God will kill you
If you don't listen to us - God will kill you
Brainwashing of minor children is a real winner
Calling on empty houses may seem like a waste of time - but to dubs it's the work of angels

For the Bethel drone monitoring this post - wake up and smell the coffee, before you're made to leave your cosy Brooklyn office and hack the streets calling on empty houses.

You can be sure Lett will be right behind you!

EE

"At morning worship with the Bethel family, Bro. Lett of the Governing Body, made a few comments regarding our work of preaching and bearing witness to others.

He made the point that we should not be discouraged by not-at-homes or those who are not interested in our message. He mentioned that even if 80% of our visits were not-at-homes, and 20% were not interested, we still have many reasons to be joyful. Primarily, because we are pleasing Jehovah. Also, we are fulfilling our responsibility to bear witness to others, thereby proving that Satan the Devil is a liar. Additionally, we are helping the angels determine the condition of people's hearts.

He then gave this example of a typical day in field service. At the first door we go to, after we knock, a woman peeks through the window, sees us, but doesn't answer the door. We mark it as a not-at home, but the angels mark it as something else. They can see the condition of the woman's heart.

At the second door we knock at, no one is home since the husband and wife are both at work; but we leave a tract. That night when the couple gets home and sees the tract, a conversation begins. "Those Witnesses were by our house today. They sure are persistent." The angels are watching and make note of it.

At the third door we knock at, no one answers. This is because the woman at the first house called her friend at the third house and warned her that we were coming. She says: "Boy, those Witnesses sure are persistent. They just don't give up." We mark it as a not-at home, but the angels mark it as something else.

We knock at the fourth house and no one is home. However, a lady across the street sees us. The Witnesses had knocked at her door last week, but she didn't listen. She says to herself: "Those Witnesses sure are persistent, but very well dressed. Even their children are well behaved. Maybe I should listen to them the next time they knock at my door. " Again, the angels make note of it.

We knock at the fifth house, and again, no one is home. But a garbage truck passes by. The driver tells his co-worker: "There go those Witnesses again. Aren't they the ones that don't accept blood transfusions?" The driver replies: "But look at how well dressed and well behaved their children are. I wish my children were the same." The angels make a note of this.

So at just these five houses, there may have been five not-at-homes marked down, but look how many conditions and reactions of the heart the angels were able to observe. Now imagine how many of these same scenarios they observe being played out around the world each and every day. How important it is that we be in the ministry to help our angelic brothers take note of the responses we receive at the doors."

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Need suggestions... how do I respond to my elders?

by Robert7 in

jw
friends

so our fade is not going so well.

too many people have been asking about us, and therefore giving us attention.

we've had no choice but tell select few friends that we're discouraged, and one that we're having a hard time believing the fds in general.

Edward Elder

Elders have a long list of complex rules for so-called 'gross sins'. Big boy of all naughties is 'apostasy' i.e. daring not to swallow all the illogical, changing, prejudiced ideas of the grey men in Brooklyn - never question - ever.

In all of this controlling framweork there exists an opportunity to use the rules in your favour i.e. know the rules, play the 'game' and stick to your plan - no matter what.

The elders 'Pay Attention' book (or manual) says about apostasy, "Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates" - italics mine! - ks91 p94

If 2 elders hear you question any teaching of the FDS, they can move to JC quicker than you can say 'Freddie Franz'. The manual gives the instruction to do this.

So previous advice to be vague, non-specific etc is good. NEVER question FDS teachings in front of the elders or those who will report you.

They win if they DF you, since they then have more power over any family members that are still in - in other words, they can more easily get to you.

You win if you manage the situation, use their (man-made) rules in your favour and just fade.

If you are brought up before a JC there are 6 questions / issues the elders will ask to judge 'repentance'. If you give convincing answers to these it will be much more difficult for them to DF you and you may then fade following a private or public reproof - this is contingency if it ever gets as far as a JC.

The questions / issues are:

1) Have you contritely prayed to Jeh and sought his forgiveness and mercy?
2) Have you admitted the wrongdoing? - preferably voluntarily to an elder before the JC
3) Express willingness to make restitution / apologise to any effected by your 'sin' - really strong if this is done before a JC
4) Show 'heartfelt godly sadness' i.e. convince them your primary concern is not your own neck, but the cong, org, Jeh etc.
5) Talk loads about your damaged relationship with Jeh, repraoch on his name and your longing to come back to his favour
6) Say that you totally reject the previous course (i.e. apostasy or doubts) and find it repugnant now you have come to your senses, prayed etc.

Of course, it takes balls to go through this stuff if you have to, but it's worth considering as a contingency if you're in the last chance saloon and you want to use the 'rules' to minimise damage to you and your family.

Not every one wants to do this, but it's worth knowing the rules of this cult so that you can make an informed decision on how you want to plan your fade.

Hope that helps and best wishes.

EE

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District Convention Observations

by TD in

jw
friends

i accompanied my jw wife to one day (sunday) of the district convention this weekend.

for any who are interested, i offer these observations from the sunday afternoon session:.

the concluding talk was given by a gentleman by the name of steven lett, a member of the jw governing body.

Edward Elder

TD - spot on - thanks for the info.

The mind control is so powerful that >99% of the audience could not even begin to reason on these issues.

Lett knows this - it's a well trodden road for JWs.

Have you ever tried to reson on some of these issues with your wife? - appreciate any insight.

EE

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Can we get a Newbie head count?

by kzjw in

i haven't been here long...so is it just me or are the long standing jwd members noticing an influx of newbies?

to me it seems they are on the rise!

newbies stand up on this thread, be counted -- and welcomed!

Edward Elder

Signing in. Isn't this the official JW web site? Confused of the Governing Body..............

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Why I will NEVER be an elder again

by stillajwexelder in

so the po confirmed what many on this board already know.

at latest round of co to elders meeting, the co quoted from the society outline.

any elder or ms who encourages college for his kids or others or who allows his children to go to college will no longer qualify.. he then asked if i was going to take the cos encouragement and reach out again to be an elder and get my hours on the ministry up.. i replied "i will never be an elder again - i strongly approve of further education and college and have been through college myself.

Edward Elder

I was at the Friday evening bullshit supper with the CO and I can confirm the anti-education stance continues.

The theme was 'Maintain the pattern of healthful words when considering secular education'.

Some lowlights to make you smile:

'Faith in God's promise to care for us is evident in our view of education'
Higher educations leads to financial problems, undue prominence, immorality, and higher potential of leaving the 'Truth'.
Focus on congregation activities leads to happiness
'Would an appointed brother continue to qualify if he, his wife, or childern pursued higher education?' i.e. NO
Need to faithfully follow Society's guidance

This mind control crapp was followed by a plea for more money, more contributions - give us your 'unrighteous riches'

Looking round the room, the window cleaners, welfare parasites, unemployed no-hopers and bone-idle work avoiders nodded sagely.

I'm working hard from inside to help some loved ones out of this cult, but don't know how much longer anyone can listen to this insanity.

EE

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Notes from Losch's talk during "zone visit" to Hawaii (from my mother)

by Lady Zombie in

my mother forwarded me this e-mail yesterday.

i've copied and pasted it exactly as i got it.. -------------------------------.

notes from bro.

Edward Elder

Same old worn out evil blah blah blah.....

When you stand back, use your god-given common-sense, engage your brain and consider their history of failed harmful predictions - it's like the emperor's new clothes.

Losch and his buddies are stark naked - only the dubs cannot see this.

I'm still in (for now) and am busy as an elder getting as many out of this cult as I can - soon will be my turn!

Thanks to all on this forum for helping so many.

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Who owns the large amount of w.t.s. real estate?

by jwblog in

are they the relatives of the former founders of the w.t.s.

?

Edward Elder

Seeing as 'you can't take it with you', I suggest that those who own / benefit from the amassed fortune are those in authority (i.e. Bethels) who use it every day of their lives in their 'House of God'.

I recently toured a Bethel in a Western European country and was disgusted by the luxurious nature of their offices etc.

Compared to most secular facilities they are in the top quartile - all this expense of course provided by the dubs.

Obviously, you need leather furniture, deep pile carpets, oak desks etc. to feel close to God.

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The End of Circuit Overseers

by scotsman in

is indeed apparently nigh as another poster predicted along with the end of the weekly bs.

not sure when this should take place but i'm reliably informed by a family member that one of the uk's overseers was talking about it fairly recently.

reduced to weekend visits by an outside but local elder instead.. i have no further info..

Edward Elder

Hi AaG & D-p

Thanks for welcome. Yes - a serving elder at the moment - nearing the limit though of how long I can put up with this stuff.....

EE

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The End of Circuit Overseers

by scotsman in

is indeed apparently nigh as another poster predicted along with the end of the weekly bs.

not sure when this should take place but i'm reliably informed by a family member that one of the uk's overseers was talking about it fairly recently.

reduced to weekend visits by an outside but local elder instead.. i have no further info..

Edward Elder

If true, this will be phased in slowly.

No info has come through yet for the serving elders.

Will be a happy day though - maybe a natural job move from CO to Traffic Warden.

Enjoy seeing all these COs cleaning windows soon.